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Dr. David Pilgrim – Bill Wiesner

Complete Conversation Transcript

 

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This is the COMPLETE TRANSCRIPT of all conversations that Dr. David Pilgrim (Vice-President ofDiversity and Inclusion at Ferris State University) and Bill Wiesner (Founder of www.TCFamily.org  who was prevented from having 2 minutes to speak his concerns – at the “Created Equal Film Festival”discussion on Sunday January 26, 2014.  This was part of the 2nd annual Traverse City “’Embrace the Dream’ collaboration founded upon the values of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.”:

 

 [ Matt Barber describes the Homosexual BehaviorTrojan Horse – that local Northwest Michigan area LGBTQ Activist Homosexualists (in my opinion) are trying to drag in on the legitimate coat tails of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.   this way:

 

Civil rights icon saw homosexuality as a ‘culturally acquired’ ‘problem’ with a ‘solution

Regrettably – and as they do each year – the same flock of opportunist“LGBT”-activist vultures quickly swooped in, picking the live flesh from MLK’s character-based “dream,” to advance their own behavior-based nightmare.]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NOTE Dr. Pilgrim and many in the audience tried to say that my (Bill Wiesner) concern about Dr. Pilgrim’s and the local event organizers promotion of homosexuality (homosexual behavior) in our community was not on topic Here are at least 5 ways showing Dr. Pilgrim (and The 2nd AnnualTraverse City ‘Embrace the Dream’ Collaboration) promoting homosexual behavior:

 

·        Dr. Pilgrim’s Love Thy “Gay” Neighbor 2014 overhead

 

·       Dr. Pilgrim’s Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC)’s identified “Hate Groups” 2014 overhead – Which represented many Pro-Family Christian groups like Family Research Council (FRC) whereFloyd Corkins, a homosexual man, used the SPLC’s“Hate List” to locate FRC headquarters (and two other Pro-Family Christian Groups) and attempted to murder all the employees of FRC.

 

  • Dr. Pilgrim’s was brought in to speak in Traverse City  by a  homosexual-promoted US Government funded grant(and 472 more just like it all throughout the United States) – all coordinated by Jeremy Bernard, the National Endowment of the Humanities (NEH) “married” homosexual White House liaison to the NEH.   

 

·       “The Marketing of Evil” – a great book by WND’s Vice-President and Managing Editor David Kupelian – talks about this kind of marketing of homosexual behavior by, like the example above of 473 government grants. (Click on the book cover to read half of chapter one aboutMarketing Blitz: Selling gay rights to America.”

 

·       Dr. Pilgrim’s promotion of homosexual behavior last year at the 2013 First Annual Traverse City “’Embrace the Dream’ collaboration founded upon the values of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.”: “THEM: Images of Separation.”

 

·       Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. – Civil rights icon – saw homosexuality as a ‘culturally acquired’ ‘problem’ with a ‘solution’.  With these beliefs, Dr. King himself would not have been allowed to speak at Dr. Pilgrim’s 2014 Second Annual “Embrace the Dream” collaboration, an event that was named after Dr. King.

 

13s

NMC Contact

Sure.  We’ll open it up to questions If you have a question – just to make it easier foreverybody here – I have a microphone that I can bring to you.  So you can just raise your hand, and we’ll do this for maybe 15 – 20 minutes, and then again we’ll continue out in the lobby. 

16s

Dr. Pilgrim

So let’s do it this way – You can either ask a question about something, or make a comment, it doesn’t have to be a question – about something that was said in this presentation, or you can make a question or a comment about one of the videos if you watched one of those.  So it’s up to you.

8m 32s

Young lady #1 – Senior year at FSU

SPEAKER #01: [select comments only Comment  – stroke of genius was the non-violent tactic.

Question:  Young people are far more post-racial.

(Long back & forth comments / questions for 8 min 32 sec.) 

4m 13s

Lady #2

SPEAKER #02:  [select comments only Comment about the movie “12 Years of Slavery” – very authentic and life changing.  Dr. Pilgrim said he resents comparisons to slavery, and to go watch this movie to see if your comparison is authentic – it won’t be.  Dr. Pilgrim: “Slavery was not folks working without getting paid.  It was one person can do whatever he wants to one other person, and use your imagination, with a whole political, economic, social, religious, every system in the one person who wants to do whatever he wants to the other person.  And that movie showed that in a matter of that time?”  

2m 40s

Lady #3

SPEAKER #03: [select comments only Comment We came to the movie the first night. (Slavery by another name.)  Dr. Pilgrim – a prison industry has a demand for prisoners.

6m 29s

 

30s

Bill Wiesner

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SPEAKER #04: [Complete transcript of 6m 29s conversation] Thank you Dr. Pilgrim.  My name’s Bill Wiesner I am tape recording, and I did tape record the last talk too.  And as far as that quote about the “gay” thing, that was really an oversight I was just … What I’m concerned about in this whole thing, and I appreciate you giving me the chance to speak.  And this will be on the next show also, too, which will come out this week I believe.  I’m Bill Wiesner, Founder of TCFamily.org.  [I turned around to face the audience – then Dr. Pilgrim spoke out …]

54s

Dr. Pilgrim

Now wait.  I don’t want to turn this into a promotion for your ideas.  Do you have a question about what we’re doing tonight?  Don’t turn this into, you know, build your own audience. 

 

[BW -- Click HERE to find out about the homosexual-promoted US Government funded grant (and 472 more just like it) that paid for Dr. Pilgrim to come to Traverse City and speak – all coordinated by Jeremy Bernard, the National Endowment of the Humanities (NEH) “married” homosexual White House liaison to the NEH.] 

 

Like I told you, you know, it’s good to have a cause; it’s good to advocate for your cause. I’d like you to do it in a more civil way than you sometimes do it.  But don’t co-opt other things.  This is not about that, ok?  You have an agenda – which is this whole other agenda – the people that came here today came to talk about “Whether or not America is a Post-Racial Society.”  If what you have is a question or a comment about either the presentation or the movies, then I welcome that.  What I don’t welcome – even though I’m against it in this house – What I don’t welcome is just a, you know, kind of a promotional campaign for some other agenda that you have.  [Applause from the audience (4 seconds)]

4s

Bill Wiesner

Right.  You mentioned the tape recording a couple of times.  I just wanted them to know what you were referring to. 

2s

Dr. Pilgrim

Well you might not be the only person tape recording in here.

35s

Bill Wiesner

Well that’s true.  That’s true.  Ok.  Well, here’s the thing.  I believe there should be no racism.  There’s one race.  It’s the human race.  It’s the same blood in any color or whatever.  And God created them all, and they have tremendous worth, so any bullying of any sort should be discouraged tremendously – I believe that.  But when you talk about the … my issue is the homosexual issue, and that’s the only thing, well that’s the main thing we disagree on.  And that’s a behavior, ok?  Alfred Kinsey quotes here …

15s

Dr. Pilgrim

Wait, wait, wait – not going to listen to a lecture about gays right now.  You know.  This is not what this …  Why don’t we set up a time – you live in this town, right? 

2s

Bill Wiesner

I live in the town.

5s

Dr. Pilgrim

Ok.  Why don’t you set up a situation here where you have people come in and you give different ideas about …

40s

Bill Wiesner

We did set it up.  We set it up with Dr. Lively.  We asked 8 local homosexualists – those who are promoting this in the community – and none of them, includingyourself, would agree to debate him.  He’s on that “hate-list” that you mentioned from the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC).  So is FRC (Family Research Council) – and a homosexual [Floyd Corkins] got that list and went into the FRC office and shot a black, it was a black man that was protecting them.  If it hadn’t been for him stopping them, he would have shot many people.  That’s one affect of the “hate list” that you can have.  I’m on that hate list too, and I don’t hate anyone. 

4s

Dr. Pilgrim

Ok.  What I’m simply saying is that this is … you can’t co-opt others …

36s

Bill Wiesner

I understand.  But last year, last year you were here – I could do this all in 2 minutes – last year when you were here, you said, let the open market of ideas (2 minutes doesn’t seem unreasonable when everyone else seems to agree with you here, or lots of people do.) Give me two minutes and then respond. 

 

[BW -- Some in audience speaking out that I am not speaking on topic.] 

 

It is absolutely on topic.  This is homosexuality that’s being included as part of race – and it’s a behavior.  It’s not.  And you guys here don’t seem to want to allow the other side to be viewed – to be given two minutes …

3s

Dr. Pilgrim

I don’t think I said one word about gays in this presentation.

16s

Bill Wiesner

It was all … It was on the board.  You mentioned homosexuality … you mentioned it several times during the night, and that’s what’s happened.  And it’s just being thrown in as one other thing as far as race – homosexuality and “gays” … that sort of thing.  It was on the screen several times too.

4s

Dr. Pilgrim

You know what, I tell you what, let’s – I beg the audience’s indulgence – you said two minutes? 

1s

Bill Wiesner

Two minutes.

1s

Dr. Pilgrim

Take your two minutes.

7s

Bill Wiesner

Ok.  The homosexual issue is behavior.  We’re all created in the image of God.  It’s Founder [Alfred Kinsey], one of the early things …

1s

Dr. Pilgrim

… I want you to turn around and look …

 

[BW -- About 10 in the audience of 40 were getting up to leave as I was speaking – you can see this all on video if you watch the last 10 minutes of our exclusive Scott Lively Show #5 from his summer of 2013 “Great Debate” (which all 8 local homosexualists – including Dr. Pilgrim –  declined to debate Dr. Lively.)

 

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Bill Wiesner

… One of the early things …

1s

Dr. Pilgrim

… That’s what you’re doing …

 

[BW -- I was supposedly forcing 10 individuals to leave because they were not tolerant enough to listen to a two-minute opposing viewpoint?]

1s

Bill Wiesner

… Well good …

3s

Dr. Pilgrim

… Why is that good?  You were, you were welcome, you didn’t have to pay a dime to get in here …

 

[All of our taxes through 473 grants by the National Endowment of the Humanities (NEH) all across the United States paid for Dr. Pilgrim and 472 others like him to speak – many of whom, like Dr. Pilgrim, probably included homosexual behaviorfalsely as just another innate human right to fight for.]

 

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Bill Wiesner

… Right.  They are opposed to hearing the other viewpoint.  They want to be closed-minded and not get more information …

2s

Man in

Audience

… We’re opposed to some a**hole taking over the conversation.

10s

Bill Wiesner

… Right And that seems to be hate speech and bullying that you’re giving right now.  You’re intolerant of another viewpoint.  […Indecipherable audio comments from the audience … ] 

3s

NMC

Employee

Who wrote

The grant

For this “Created equal” series.

… Alright, sir, you’re going to have to … [He’s asking for the microphone back.]

2s

Bill Wiesner

… He [Dr. Pilgrim] said he’d give me two minutes. 

10s

Dr. Pilgrim

… Your two minutes is over now.  What you got was what you wanted.  You have … what you have is enough for a show.  I understand that that’s what you wanted. 

8s

Bill Wiesner

No.  No.  We’ve got the facts, and you’re trying to avoid the facts.  And you said last year you’d give the people an opportunity to talk.  And you just said [that you would give me two minutes to talk]  … Right.  Well

1s

Dr. Pilgrim

Indecipherable audio words …

17s

Bill Wiesner

Right.  And you don’t want them to hear the truth then.  Or they don’t want to hear it either.  All I want is two minutes – I can’t demand it.  But you said last year, “It’s the marketplace of ideas; let the people speak, and then you give your turn. 

1s

NMC

Employee

Who wrote

The grant

For this “Created equal” series.

I think you’ve had your turn …

9s

Bill Wiesner

I haven’t had my turn.  We’ve been sidetracked because you [Dr. Pilgrim] asked me to look back there at everyone leaving.  I don’t care if everyone leaves – it still doesn’t matter about the truth here.

2s

Man in

Audience

There are people waiting for the microphone.

20s

Bill Wiesner

Right.  I haven’t been given my two minutes.  I never got two minutes. [Go to]www.TCFamily.org  and you can see this and see how people do not want to hear the other side.  Okay?  You don’t give the other side two minutes to speak.  And I’m not speaking to everyone here.  Ok?

 

1s

NMC

Employee

Who wrote

The grant

For this “Created equal” series.

Thank you.

14s

Bill Wiesner

Thank you very much.  [I gave back the microphone.]  So any response is one-sided because you didn’t hear my side.

 

 

5m 58s

 

Lady #4

 

SPEAKER #05:  First of all I’d like to thank you for coming here.  It’s been just everything that I expected and more.  I’m so grateful to be a part of it.  And I don’t know what this gentleman, I don’t know what his argument was – I don’t really, I didn’t hear it.

2s

 

Bill Wiesner

 

 

[Interrupting] … I wasn’t given a chance to give it.

 

Lady #4

I was … that people would get up and leave.  I happen to think it’s unfortunate, because I think everyone should have their two minutes to speak, whether we disagree with them or not.  So I don’t know what that was about, but I think it’s unfortunate that people would be so intolerant that they would get up and leave.” 

 

 

 

 

Lady #4 and Dr. Pilgrim discussion not related to Bill Wiesner for the remaining 5m 58s of Dr. Pilgrim’s Q&A …

 

 

 

 

Then, after 10 minutes or so, outside the auditorium at the refreshments table, Dr. Pilgrim unsolicited spoke to me (as I was standing by waiting to talk with him.):

 

 

Dr. Pilgrim

(speaking to Bill Wiesner at refreshments table after his talk & discussion)

 

“I’m not going to chat Bill, just to let you know right now.  I’m not going to speak to you.  Because I think I would pay for the assumption down from this tape [recording that I told him I was taping] – I’m done.”

 

 

 

Then, after about 10 more minutes, as I was waiting to speak to Dr. Pilgrim, he address me saying, “Sir?”

 

1s

Dr. Pilgrim

(speaking to Bill Wiesner)

 

Sir?

11s

Bill Wiesner

I think you told me when I was standing here that you wouldn’t talk to me?  Is there a certain reason why? 

14s

Dr. Pilgrim

Turn off the tape recorder, then maybe I’ll talk I can’t do it … talk to your site; so turn your tape recorder off.  I’ll still … [indecipherable 2 seconds].  If you’re going to tape a person, let him know … [indecipherable 2 seconds] ok?  I can talk to you … 

4s

Bill Wiesner

Michigan law, Michigan law says you can tape record as long as one person knows. 

 

[BW – Note that this was a publicly-funded event that paid for Dr. Pilgrim to speak (and I’ve transcribed all of his words).  Why the reluctance to let his words speak for themselves on tape?]

1s

Dr. Pilgrim

Well that would be the person taping, wouldn’t it?

1s

Bill Wiesner

Right.

1s

Dr. Pilgrim

What I’m doing now is … I’m done, I’m done.

1s

Bill Wiesner

You could do the same thing.  You could do the same thing. 

7s

Dr. Pilgrim

I have no interest in tape recording you.  I’m done.  It’s so easy to take things up on tape.

2s

Bill Wiesner

Well you can watch our show, so … [Scott Lively Show #4 – the last 10 minutes when Bill Wiesner talks about the local Northwest Michigan info – this week’s dialog with Dr. Pilgrim.]   [End of discussion with Dr. Pilgrim.]

 

 

 

 

4m 5s

 

Lady #4

Dialoging with Bill Wiesner.

 

Then, I spoke with Lady #4 (Speaker #5)  who spoke up earlier for me saying I should have gotten 2 minutes to speak.  We talked for over 4 minutes – she agreed with some of my concerns, but felt that my method of sharing was not winsome and would turn people off.  We parted cordially.

 

END OF CONVERSATIONS …

 

 

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