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TCFamily's Long Response to Dr. David Pilgrim’s comment to our Youtube "informal debate":

 

April 7, 2013

 

Hi Dr. Pilgrim,

 

I’ve made comments in [brackets] & ALL CAPITAL LETTERS below to your response to our informal YouTube debate entitled:

“Dr. David Pilgrim (Jim Crow Museum) debates Bill Wiesner (TCFamily.org Founder) on homosexuality.”

 

Bill Wiesner response to Dr. David Pilgrim’s comment, enclosed in [brackets] and in ALL CAPS below.

 

Dr. Pilgrim's comments are all in red color:

 

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David Pilgrim 3 days ago

 

Dr. Pilgrim: I gave a tour of the JCM's [JIM CROW MUSEUM’S]

 

Dr. Pilgrim: … traveling exhibit, hosted at the Dennos Museum. During the Q&A, I told an illustrative story about prejudice. To make a point that many groups are mistreated, I said that I am Chinese, a terrorist, gay, a woman, etc. You [BILL WIESNER, FOUNDER OF WWW.TCFAMILY.ORG] cut and pasted my comments …

 

Bill Wiesner: [I TRANSCRIBED THE RECORDING OF YOU SAYING THE FOLLOWING:

(…And I'm 'gay' … Or homophobic images or homophobic jokes … … They're homophobic Gays have taken "queer" and turned it into a term of power …)

IN ORDER TO SHOW THAT YOU WERE NORMALIZING HOMOSEXUAL PRACTICES TO THE TEACHERS (your talk was promoted as: Thu., Jan. 17, 2013 3:30pm Dennos Museum: Educator discussion), WHO THEN IN TURN ARE PROMPTED TO TEACH OUR 10,000 TCAPS KINDERGARTENER – 12TH GRADE STUDENTS THAT DANGEROUS HOMOSEXUAL PRACTICES ARE NORMAL & HEALTHY.]

 

[I TRULY HAD NO INTENTION OF INFERRING THAT YOU WERE ‘GAY’; THAT THOUGHT NEVER CROSSED MY MIND. HOWEVER, I CAN SEE THAT THOSE WHO DID NOT ATTEND THE “EDUCATOR DISCUSSION” MAY HAVE WONDERED IF YOU WERE SAYING THAT YOU ARE ‘GAY’; FOR THAT I APOLOGIZE, AND I WISH I HAD INCLUDED YOUR LONGER 14 SECOND QUOTE IN FULLER CONTEXT – WHICH YOU CAN NOW SEE PASTED AT THE END OF MY COMMENTS]

 

[MOREOVER, FROM WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY IN YOUR TALK AND IN OUR INFORMAL DEBATE, I ASSUME THAT YOU ARE AN ARDENT HOMOSEXUALIST (defined as: any person, homosexual or not, who actively promotes homosexuality as morally and socially equivalent to heterosexuality as a basis for social policy.) THE FATHER OF THE (HOMO)SEXUAL REVOLUTION THAT YOU APPEAR TO SUPPORT IS ALFRED KINSEY. AND HE USED FRAUDULENT DATA TO TEACH THAT 10 – 37% OF THE POPULATION WAS HOMOSEXUAL, AND THAT BISEXUALITY WAS NORMAL AND COMMON. I ASSUME THAT YOU HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT BEING TAUGHT TO THE 10,000 TCAPS KINDERGARTENER – 12TH GRADERS (OUR CHILDREN); SO WHY WOULD ANYONE ON YOUR SIDE OF THIS ISSUE BE CONCERNED IF PEOPLE THOUGHT HE OR SHE WAS “GAY”?]

 

Dr. Pilgrim: … because you need to have an argument with a "gay" person. How sad?

 

Bill Wiesner: [OUR STANCE IS TO PROMOTE WHAT IS GOOD AND TRUE – SHOWING THE MISINFORMATION AND DISINFORMATION OF THE HOMOSEXUAL MOVEMENT -- AND TO DEFEND OUR CHILDREN FROM MOSTLY ADULT HOMOSEXUALISTS (and not all homosexuals are homosexualists) WHO ARE PROMOTING HARMFUL HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR TO OUR KINDERGARTEN – 12TH GRADE CHILDREN. WE HAVE GREAT COMPASSION FOR THE 40-90% OF HOMOSEXUALS WHO WERE SEXUALLY ABUSED AS YOUNG CHILDREN AND WHO NOW STRUGGLE WITH SAME-SEX-ATTRACTIONS. OUR “ARGUMENT” IS ESPECIALLY WITH THOSE WHO WOULD INDOCTRINATE OUR CHILDREN WITH THIS HARMFUL MISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN.

 

Dr. Pilgrim: … This was no debate.

 

Bill Wiesner: [THIS WAS AN ‘INFORMAL’ DEBATE AS I STATED IN MY ORIGINAL INTRODUCTION ON THE TOPIC OF HOMOSEXUALITY.]

 

TheFreeDictionary

de·bate   (d-bt)

v. de·bat·ed, de·bat·ing, de·bates

v.intr.

1. To consider something; deliberate.

2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.

3. To engage in a formal discussion or argument.

 

Dr. Pilgrim: … It was a sad man secretly taping answers to fit into his agenda.

 

Bill Wiesner: I TYPICALLY TAPE RECORD PUBLIC GATHERINGS WHERE I AM CONCERNED THAT HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR WILL BE PROMOTED, SUCH AS IN YOUR TALK PROMOTING HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR TO “EDUCATORS”, WHO IN TURN TEACH OUR CHILDREN.  AND I PLAYED THE COMPLETE UNEDITED 12 MINUTE CONVERSATION ON THE YOUTUBE FOR YOU OR ANYONE TO LISTEN TO.  JUST AS YOU FIND IT HELPFUL TO HAVE MANY YOUTUBES PROMOTING YOUR POINT OF VIEW, I NEED TO RECORD MY CONVERSATIONS (WHICH IS LEGAL IN MICHIGAN) IN ORDER TO MAKE MY CASE, JUST LIKE YOU DO.  IF I COULD AFFORD A VIDEO RECORDER TO ATTACH THAT TO MY LAPEL, INSTEAD OF JUST MY MICROPHONE, I WOULD DO SO. 

 

Dr. Pilgrim: I don't believe that Jesus is proud of your actions.

 

Bill Wiesner:  [WHY JESUS NEEDED TO DIE ON THE CROSS – FOR ALL MANKIND – CAN BE SEEN BY GOOGLING “WHY CHRISTIANITY TRACT” or by clicking here:

http://www.livingwaters.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&product_id=186&flypage=flypage.tpl&pop=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=199&lang=en

 

... AND SCROLLING DOWN SLIGHTLY; THEN CLICK ON “THE CHOICE: Click to read – P1” TO READ IT ONLINE.  ESPECIALLY READ PP 5&6 ABOUT “LITTLE JESSICA” TO SEE WHY WE NEED A SAVIOR.] 

 

 

… END OF DR. DAVID PILGRIM’S COMMENT

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Dr. Pilgrim, please also consider the www.TCFamily.org information that I EMAILED TO YOU and the Press and our local friends list describing our 12 minute informal debate at the NMC Dennos Museum:

 

(1)            You had a copy (currently on the top of our www.TCFamily.org website) of the 42 quotes from Dr. Judith Reisman’s “Sexual Sabotage” book [regarding the Founder of the (Homo)Sexual Revolution, Alfred Kinsey] BEFORE I posted our informal debate on YouTube. These quotes show the corrupt foundation of the homosexual revolution that you are promoting.

 

(2)            And you had the links (BEFORE you responded to the posted informal debate) to the “FBI: Homosexuality” (95min documentary), and to the “Best of the Truth Academy about Homosexuality” (60min show) – both of which act like the little dog Toto in “The Wizard of Oz”, who pulled back the curtain on the deception of the ‘great’ Wizard of Oz. These videos pull back the curtain on the misinformation and disinformation of the homosexual movement that you and MANY others are in effect promoting to the TCAPS KINDERGARTENERS on up.

 

(3)            Also, you might be interested a recent talk by evangelist Josh McDowell entitled: Tolerating the Intolerable (parts I and II), which you can listen to: http://www.drjamesdobson.org/Broadcasts/Broadcast?i=1dfad606-8ec4-4c60-b9ab-4bfcf57a4905  AND http://www.drjamesdobson.org/Broadcasts/Broadcast?i=edc3cb18-3906-49e1-a5be-12d551be229a  .  They speak about the “Positive Tolerance” now being demanded in “Diversity” classes all across the United States and World.  From our discussion I believe that you still want to allow for opposing viewpoints, and I commend you for that. However this new movement is to totally silence the voices on our side of the homosexual issue, because they realize that they can never win in an honest debate of the facts on this issue.

 

 

Now here is the complete transcription in question of the 14 second version of Dr. David Pilgrim’s talk to Educators at Northwestern Michigan College’s (NMC) Dennos Museum:

 

Dr. David Pilgrim said:

"… I'm Polish, and I'm German – and I just said I loved a lot of, you know, Nationalities, and I was gonna … and then I get to the part, and I said to him, and I said – and I'm a woman ..., and I'm 'gay'."

 

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Bill Wiesner / www.TCFamily.org Founder

Phone: 231-313-6805

 

 

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