Dr. Scott Lively July 2003 Traverse City, MI DEBATE
SHOW #3 –
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Founder Bill Wiesner shares LOCAL NORTHWEST MICHIGAN Info,
and previews the Twenty-Two Audio Clips recorded at the Michael
Moore 2013 Traverse City Film Festival, which play during the
last 6 minutes of this hour long show.
We took our 4x8 Foot “Truth Academy about Homosexuality” sign
downtown in Traverse City and recorded the very vocal
interactions, especially with two women in particular who
tried (unsuccessfully) to shout me off the streets.
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(03:57) 1ST INTRODUCTION to Dr. Scott
Lively’s Talk (SHOW #3) by NW Michigan pro-family activist and
Tea Party leader Matthew Schoech
(05:11) OPENING PRAYER by Pastor Peter Moon
from Harbor Light Christian Center in Traverse City.
(06:10) 2ND INTRODUCTION by Matthew
(07:53) (Scott Lively from here to the 54min33sec
mark) Describes a typical seminar weekend
(08:37) Describes his & his wife’s inner city mission in
Springfield, Massachusetts: an example of redemptive living right in
the middle of “the hood.”
(09:33) “Holy Grounds Coffee House” ministry:
(10:20) Bringing together believers from across the spectrum …
(10:31) The “Trust Jesus” Campaign
(11:22) 50-City Tour of the former Soviet Union promoting
the pro-family topics we will be discussing today.
(12:15) The Spirit that is behind the homosexual movement … is
the spirit that is revealed in Genesis chapter 19 in the story of
Sodom & Gomorrah (a spirit of implacable militancy.)
(15:21) A relentless spirit of bringing chaos out of order …
(15:28) Everything that God has given us in this universe is
“ordered” (Gen 1:1) …
(16:16) Man created in God’s own image – male & female … two
complementary halves of one whole, designed to unite together as one
flesh. And then in Gen 2:24: “That therefore shall a man leave
his family and cleave unto his wife, and they shall become one
flesh.” That’s the biblical model of sexuality, and everything
outside of that model is rejected and illegitimate … all sex
outside of marriage is a crime according to God.
(17:00) Watered down perspective now in America in main stream
Christianity – now very tolerant of fornication and divorce …
becoming more tolerant of behaviors that go further and further
outside the standard that God gave us.
(17:46) The outer edge of rebellion, according to the Bible, is
(18:22) Leviticus 18 is the list of sins [sexual
sins] that God is explaining to the Hebrews that caused the
Canaanites to be expelled from the land … “that caused the land to
vomit out its inhabitants.”
(18:56) It deals with various different forms of INCEST;
then it comes down to CHILD SACRIFICE,
(19:04) Then in Leviticus 18: 22, it introduces the
word “abomination” for the first time … when it lists the sin
(19:38) This is the outer edge of rebellion against God. … Then
verse 23 lists BESTIALITY (sex with an
(19:47) Classically, those two verses are the foundation
of the common law dealing with sodomy, forever, up until
the modern times (the modern age) when Alfred Kinsey
[1940’s and 50’s] introduced the different standard that
we are now living under.
(20:04) … Up until the modern age, sodomy was defined – not
as anal or oral sex – but as “sex between two people of the same
gender, or sex with an animal.”
(20:21) Thomas Jefferson … wrote a “restatement of the law”
… said that of the two, homosexuality is the greater crime,
because bestiality doesn’t spread.
(21:20) All sin keeps you out of the presence of God … because God
is perfectly pure and holy …
(22:19) But in dealing with the 2nd Commandment [1st
= Love God; 2nd = Love neighbor], sin as it relates
to human society, sin has different levels of severity. That’s why
there’s capital punishment for murder, and there’s no punishment for
gossip: but they’re both sins.
(22:45) Homosexuality ranks up at the very top of the list of
the most egregious sins dealing with interactions between human
beings … [the 2nd Great Commandment: love your
neighbor as yourself.]
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(23:27) Looking through the Scripture, it’s the only sin that’s
associated with the rain of fire and brimstone … [Sodom and
Gomorrah (Gen 19:1-29)] … It’s the only time in the Scriptures
that that has happened. … Set forth as an example forever in Jude
verse 7 as an example of what happens to the ungodly. It’s also
mentioned in 2nd Peter [vv 3-7] that God has destroyed
[by Noah’s Flood].
(23:57) The FLOOD was – and we talked about the RAINBOW,
which was God’s sign of what? – that is He’s never going
to destroy the earth again by water. And now we have this
[homosexual] movement that has taken as their symbol what? – the
Rainbow. Alright. Do you think that it’s an accident that the
homosexual movement has adopted the rainbow as its symbol?
(24:32) When THE FLOOD came – what the ancient Rabbis say is
that the last straw for God was when human beings started WRITING
WEDDING SONGS TO HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE – that’s what they say was
the last straw for God. Now it doesn’t say that explicitly in the
Scripture; you can’t read that directly in the Bible. But, if you
look at what the Bible does say about the Time of Noah, it’s very
clear. There’s only two real clues that you get: (1) That they were
marrying and giving in marriage; and (2) That the thoughts
of their heart were only evil continually. So what do people do
in terms of marriage, when the thoughts of their heart is only
evil? You’re talking about the most perverse form of marriage you
can have. Just do the math: one plus one has got to equal two. And
of course that’s probably what the Rabbis looking at the ancient
Hebrew – that’s probably why they concluded what they did. So what
seems to have happened … is that sin progressed, that the end
chapter, the final aspect of the disintegration of the pre-flood
world was when they reached the level when they started doing
(25:42) And then look at what happens in the Bible after that.
You’ve got Ham who does something to his father, or it’s
actually his son Canaan does something to his grandfather.
What is it? The Flood has happened. The eight have been saved
through the Ark. The Flood subsides. They come out. They start
life all over again. Noah grows a vineyard. He gets drunk. And
then, Canaan comes in and he does something to him in to his tent.
The Scripture talks and it says that “He saw his nakedness.”
Right? Well, I mean we’re talking about people that – nakedness is
not that big of a deal. But what nakedness is in the Bible –
it’s an idiom for sexual intercourse. When you look through the
Old Testament, it’s always talking about “to uncover someone’s
nakedness.” If a man “uncovers the nakedness of a woman,” then he
has committed sexual intercourse with her. So for Ham to have seen
the nakedness of his father has some kind of sexual connotation,
which would seem to be homosexuality in some way.
(26;52) And what does Noah do? He banishes him.
Do you think he’s going to banish his grandson because he saw him
naked? Come on, right, that’s just foolishness. Something
serious happened there. And Canaan is then banished from the
presence of Noah. And where does he then go? Canaan then goes and
takes over the territory that is God’s chosen land of all the
earth. Right? It’s not an accident that Canaan went and took
the choicest place, the place that I believe actually was
probably the site of the Garden of Eden – that he comes to the
Promised Land later, that contained the city that was later to
be called Jerusalem, that is the apple of God’s eye – the
center of the universe in dealing with anything that related to
prophecy, and that the Holy City.
(27:37) And Canaan then takes over that entire territory. And what
does he do? He introduces two forms of perversion that
forever after define the worst that human beings can do. Right?
(1) He sets up worship of Molec – and there’s various different
names of the Canaanite gods. But they engage in HUMAN SACRIFICE,
and (2) they engage in RAMPID SEXUAL PERVERSION of every kind
– that’s what defines them. And Canaan also sets up several cities:
one of them is called SODOM. Right? Sodom was a Canaanite
(28:16) So there’s a line – what seems to have happened is that
Ham probably was corrupted in the pre-flood world.
Right? He was living in the culture, just like some of our kids
and grandkids, right – even though they may be in Christian
homes? They’re going to the PUBLIC SCHOOL. Every day all
day long they’re being propagandized. They’re accepting and
believing this new, the new normal – that there’s nothing wrong
with homosexuality, and you might as well just go ahead and try it.
Right? And Ham ends up coming into the new world, and basically
bringing that sin into the new world. And his own son then is
corrupted by it, and then goes and establishes the most wicked forms
of religion that have ever existed on the face of the earth –
and sets up Sodom & Gomorrah. So a few chapters after The
Flood and The Rainbow, you have … God said He was going to
destroy the earth twice, right – once by water and then once by
fire. So then he gives the example, right? He says, ok, this is
what it’s going to look like: when I finally destroy it in the end
it’s going to look like this: fire and brimstone from the sky.
What’s the sin that’s prevalent at the time that the fires going
to come down? It’s going to be Homosexuality.
(29:30) What did Jesus say about the Second Coming? It’s
going to be like the Days of Noah, right? And what is
happening now that has not existed for 5000 years in the earth?
It’s homosexual marriage. Never in the history of mankind has
homosexual marriage ever been accepted by any culture. Now there
have been individual incidents along the way where there might be a
little sect of this here or there where they might sort of put the
sanction on homosexual marriage. The “gays” will talk about those
things. But there’s never been a society – let alone a
civilization – that has ever embraced homosexual marriage until
today. So the two times in the history of the world is  The
time just before the Flood of Noah, and  and the time
Today. Now they may have been doing “gay marriage” in Sodom –
and why wouldn’t they have? If everything was corrupted to that
extent. But there’s the example, and then the fire comes down.
(30:24) Now God uses two witnesses in the Scripture very
frequently, right? – the two witnesses that he sent to Sodom; the
two witnesses in Revelation. He also will often use two
witnesses in terms of symbols or stories. And there’s a
second story in the Bible dealing with facts that are very
similar to what happened in Sodom. That’s Judges 19 in the story
of the Levite and his concubine were sojourning through the
land of Benjamin. … And a man comes out of his house and … he says
come and stay at my house … don’t stay out in the open. And why?
As soon as they get him back to the house in with the concubine, all
the men show up. All the Benjamites to rape the Levite. Right?
Just like it happened in Sodom and Gomorrah. And this time they
come out and they offer the concubine – not the daughter – they
offer the concubine as an alternative to raping the Levite. And
this time the predators accept the concubine as a substitute.
And they rape her all night till she’s dead, and leave her on
the doorstep. And when they come out, they take the body, they cut
it into 12 pieces, and they send it to the 12 tribes of Israel as a
statement of outrage about the depth of sin that has happened in
the land. That leads them to civil war. And the Benjamites are
then the subject of attack from all the other tribes. So once
again, homosexuality associated with the most extreme forms of
perversion and rebellion, leading to social calamity. And all
the way through the Scripture you have this happening.
(32:18) Then we get to Solomon. Solomon, who we’ve all been
taught was a wonderful man – the wisest man of all. He’s been
lionized. Right? He’s been sugarcoated. … In the middle of his
life toward the later years he married foreign wives. Some of the
300 wives and 700 concubines were Canaanite women, who then
converted him to Canaanite religion and away from worship of God.
And Solomon is the one who set up the worship of Molec around
the hills of Jerusalem … And they were actually engaging in human
sacrifice, and sexual perversion in the sacred oak groves
in the hills around Jerusalem under the leadership of Solomon.
And that lasted for 300 years. And so we’re talking all of the
perversions of the Canaanites are now back in the land because of
the man that really had been anointed by God. God came to him 3
times and said “You can’t do this Solomon.” And the 3rd
time – because he wouldn’t repent – God said I’m going to take the
kingdom away from you. For the sake of your son David, you get to
have one tribe, but you’re going to lose all the rest, and that’s
what happened. That’s why you end up with the two houses after
that: you have the house of Israel, and you have the house of
(34:01) On this whole theme of homosexuality being central to all
of this, you then have the Judges and the Kings, and the list of the
Kings: the Kings were all measured in terms of whether they are
actually doing what God says, or whether they are following the
wickedness of their forefathers. And Josiah, considered the
most righteous of all the Kings, is the one actually does what they
were told to do in Deuteronomy: Breaks down the idols; smashes the
alters; and he grinds them to dust and pours their dust into the
Brook Kidron that runs between the city of Jerusalem and the Mount
of Olives. And a central aspect of that is that Josiah – he
broke down the houses of the Sodomites where the women wore
hangings for the grove. And what that is, this was in the Temple
complex. There was the House of the Sodomites where they were
engaging in homosexual perversion. And in that facility, women
were weaving these hangings that they would use in the sacred oak
groves where they would go and engage in different kinds of sexual
perversion. And so Josiah was identified as the most righteous
of the Kings because he actually came the closest, and actually
fulfilled what he had been told by God (what they had all been told
by God) they were supposed to do when they came into the land.
(35:26) You jump into the New Testament – right out of the
gate you’re dealing with Romans Chapter 1. And
Homosexuality is identified in Romans 1 as THE SIN OF ALL THE SINS
GOD … identified. He listed it as THE SIN that is associated
with the reprobate mind. Romans 1:18-32 it talks about the process
of the darkening of the mind because of suppressing the truth;
worshiping the creation rather that the Creator, and then being
given over to a reprobate mind to do those things which are
unseemly. Men with men, committing what’s an abomination, even
the women turning against the natural use to each other, and then
all of them receiving in themselves the penalty of their error,
which is appropriate. And then the list, the laundry list of
behaviors that are associated with apostasy is then there – it’s
like 30 or 40 items: wickedness, maliciousness, gossips, liars,
right? All down.
(36:24) Remember we were talking about The Two Witnesses?
God uses two witnesses frequently in terms of stories. Just like
Genesis 19 and Judges 19 are two witnesses to a story very similar
to each other. And you also have Romans 1 and 2nd Timothy
chapter 3 where it says: In the End Times perilous times will
come. Right? Men will be lovers of themselves. Right? They will
be, essentially turn away from God. And then it lists a laundry
list – the only two places in the whole Bible that it does this –
it lists the laundry list of the behaviors associated with
apostasy, the examples of apostasy. So if you overlay those two
things together, right, and you say you take those two witnesses
together for what is the lesson that they teach, just like the
lesson about marrying and giving in marriage, and the thoughts of
their heart being only evil continually, God is giving you the two
clues. Just put it together. One plus one is two:  That in
the end times, perilous times will come, and 
homosexuality IS the evidence of the perilous times. Right?
Those two things are put together.
(37:39) And it’s the whole Bible is … all the way to the end. When
you get to the very last mention of homosexuality in the
Scripture, it’s talking once again about The Two Witnesses.
Right? The two witnesses who have been testifying against The
Antichrist, for the entire 3 ˝ years his domination of the earth,
finally at the end – Satan himself kills the two witnesses.
And the Bible says: They lie in the streets of the city –
Jerusalem – that is mystically called: (what?) Sodom & Egypt.
Those two things I believe represent: Homosexuality & Islam.
The two issues that are central to The Antichrist’s kingdom --
and which just happen to be central to the attacks on
Christianity today. What are the things that Christianity is
concerned with, or should be concerned with – and a lot of
Christians aren’t? It’s exactly those two things. Homosexuality
& Islam are the two sides of the vice that are attempting to crush
Christianity in the world today. So step by step all through the
Bible, every place that it’s mentioned, homosexuality is associated
with personal and social destruction.
(38:53) The very last one I’ll mention is 1st
Corinthians 6:9-11, and I’ll read that. This is what I call
the “EX-GAY PASSAGE.” That’s in the New
Testament. 1st Corinthians 6:9-11:
not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor
idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor
thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor
extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 AND
SUCH WERE SOME OF YOU.
But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified
in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.”
shows you that there have been ex-gays in the church from the
beginning of time – from the beginning of the church. AND God
has the power to deliver people from this, as we know He has the
power to deliver them from anything. And so all these attacks,
all this ridicule that Christians are getting on the idea that
“homosexuals can change” is just simply demonic mockery that has no
basis in truth. And that God has always been able to deliver
people from any situation that they’re in. Sometimes He allows us
to struggle with something for his own purposes to build our
character. Count it all joy when you face various trials, right?
It is for the purpose of shaping you to be like Christ. But that’s
what’s going on.
(40:20) And I wanted to lay the foundation there with the Church
Group Audience just to get on the same page with this, because
there aren’t very many people that actually teach this message. And
we have so sort of subsumed all this information that it’s
not common knowledge any more in the church. And so I always try to
bring that up so we understand: this is not just another sin.
Right? This is not just a secondary problem. This is
THEE CENTRAL ISSUE of the End-Times … in my theology. I
don’t know where you stand in terms of where we are. I happen to
believe the Lord is not that far off from coming back. But
even if He isn’t; even if he’s still a long ways off; even if my
theology is wrong, and we’re looking at some other future, we’re
still dealing with the reality of Christianity being severely
threatened, and the attacks are coming.
(41:20) The whole culture war comes down to a conflict
between Christians and Homosexuals. Really.
It’s all about a conflict between fundamental world views: Either
the Judeo-Christian Sexual Ethic – that all sex
belongs inside of marriage, and society should be discouraging sex
outside of marriage (that’s the Biblical World View) VERSUS
The “Gay” Ethic of Sexual License – the idea that
there shouldn’t be any restrictions on sexual behavior except the
principal of mutual consent. That’s always been what the
cultural war is about. And all the secondary stuff: all the
fiscal issues, all derive from problems created by the breakdown of
the family. The whole entitlement system, we would not have it as a
society if we didn’t first abandon God’s standard and start
embracing all of these forms of wickedness that cause the family to
break up. And when the men are no longer there to take care of the
women and the children, the government has to step in and do the
job, and then everybody’s taxes have to be raised through the roof
to pay for an ever-expanding system like that. Centralized
government becomes more power – again, we’re starting to sound like
a Tea-Party meeting – but it all comes down, it all comes down,
to the abandonment of what God said to do.
(42:34) And so What do we do about that as Christian leaders, as
Pastors? First we have to have an awareness – we
have to understand just how serious this is – that this is NOT a
secondary thing. This is a much bigger deal. This is a much
bigger deal EVEN than dealing with abortion. Abortion is about
the most wicked thing that a human being can do to another human
being – to actually destroy an unborn baby in the womb of its
mother. Right? That’s about as wicked as it gets. But even at
that, that’s just a symptom of the problem. It’s a symptom of a
society that has decided to embrace Sexual Freedom as its most
important value, and to reject the standard that says that sex
belongs inside of marriage only.
(43:18) And the people who are driving that agenda – that
philosophy of Sexual Freedom – are the activists of the homosexual
movement. Always have been from the beginning. When they
started doing this, it was in the late 1940’s. They were NOT
out in the open about it. Harry Hay, a teacher of Marxist
Theory for 18 years, formed the Mattachine Society.
He organized the “gay” activists in secret cell groups with the goal
of perverting and transforming HETEROSEXUAL MORALITY. He didn’t
come out promoting homosexuality; he came out promoting
anything-goes-sexuality. Sexual Freedom: you don’t have to be
married to have sex; everyone should be experimenting and all of
that. And of course once the heterosexual population had embraced
that as a value, THEN they came out of the closet in the late
1960’s and took their place at the head of the parade of The
Sexual Revolution. But they had been working … you see this
wasn’t a spontaneous change. Right? Most things that have
happened in the history of the world are NOT spontaneous change.
It’s their small groups of very dedicated people who have an agenda
are the ones who produce the change. That’s what the
Evolutionists did; that’s what the Marxists
did; that’s what the Islamists did; that’s what all
the Cults have done; and that’s what the “Gays”
(44:41) And then people sort of wake up after awhile and realize
that things have changed, and try to sort of accommodate the best
they can. But with this you can’t. These are two … these Two
World Views are contradictory, and they are exclusive. ONLY
ONE CAN PREVAIL. You cannot have a society that at the
same time says all sex belongs inside of marriage, and at the
same time says all sex does NOT have to be inside of
marriage. They’re contradictory premises. And so ONE OF
THEM IS GOING TO SUCCEED, AND THE OTHER IS GOING TO FAIL.
Right? So what that means is THIS IS A “WINNER-TAKE-ALL WAR” for
the hearts and mind and culture of America, and everybody that
we love. And to see the thing of it is is that …
(45:26) … The “GAYS” KNOW that they’re in a war, and the
CHRISTIANS DON’T. We don’t think of this as a war. We
just think of this as another problem that we have to deal with.
You know, we have multiple issues: we’re dealing with
hunger and poverty; we’re dealing with brokenness,
and we’re dealing with diseases and all that – and that this
is just one more thing that comes along. But in terms of Human
Civilization – this is THE UTLIMATE ATTACK on the ORDER OF GOD.
(45:57) When you want to understand the significance of something,
just look at the Book of Genesis – It’s the Book of
Beginnings. And it establishes the things that are most
foundational, and what God says, are the most significant in …
forever after, because that’s the beginning. And MARRIAGE
is right in Chapter 1. Right? Everything you want to know
about human society and human civilization. Right? It’s the first
thing you learn about it is that we’re created in His Image as
MALE & FEMALE – two complimentary halves of one whole.
(46:30) And what is the Devil going to do to try to tear down
civilization? HE’S GOING TO ATTACK THAT IDEA! Right? You
don’t have to be married; that you don’t have to have
partners of the opposite gender; all the different components of
that become the target of the Devil. And that’s what we’re faced
with right now.
(46:47) Now whoever’s had their eyes open over the past few years
cannot help but see what’s going on in our society. Most of you
really don’t understand – even those who have been watching
don’t understand how serious it is. I’ve been on the front lines
of this, you know. I’ve been dealing with it all over the world in
the places where the battle is the hottest. I’ve been in the
hottest places of the battlefield, seeing it with my own eyes, and
I’m coming here to “behind the lines.” Right? Now you
may think you’re in the front lines because you have such a
large homosexual population here, BUT YOU HAVEN’T. Right?
You’re still just dealing with it. You’re still just living your
lives, enjoying your families, and you’re dealing with your careers,
and working with the members of your church on a wide spectrum of
issues, and YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND JUST HOW SERIOUS THIS IS.
That’s what I’m here about, here to WAKE YOU UP! That’s
why I went through the SCRIPTURES to get you down to the
bottom line, that this is really THE ULTIMATE ISSUE – the
ultimate moral issue of our age. And that you have to take it
with that kind of seriousness.
(47:52) So then what do you do, once you have that
knowledge? Well you realize that we have to … it’s all about
life boats. That we have to be … It’s the same job that
we’ve always had as Christians: WE’RE SUPPOSED TO BE
LEADING THE LOST TO CHRIST. Alright? But now we have to
lead the lost to Christ through a mine field of adversaries. It’s
not as easy as it was. Now if you wanted to be an evangelist in the
1950’s … Alright? Everybody would … you were not, your life was not
being threatened. You were not … When the Scripture that says
“Those who desire to live Godly in Christ Jesus WILL suffer
persecution …” Right? It’s NOT MAY suffer persecution. It
says WILL suffer persecution. That’s a PROPHETIC STATEMENT.
Right? It’s not a statement for all time, because clearly that
wasn’t true. When I was growing up, you didn’t take your life in
your hand. You would not be persecuted just for stating the truth.
… Why? Because we had a Christian Society in which the
fundamentals of Biblical Truth were assumed – that was the consensus
that we held. Not everybody was a Christian. Not everything we did
reflected Christian values. But we had a, really … we represent
America, especially from … in that time. Really I think in the
40’s and 50’s really sort of represented sort of the pinnacle
of Christianity. Maybe I’ve got a lack of perspective on that,
but I think it was very high. And you compare it to where we are
now, and we’re nowhere near. Now there where problems, and there
were issues like race for example. We were doing a terrible job in
that. But you could let your kids go out and play. You know all of
the things that we stand and we talk about. But that’s mostly gone
(49:43) We have eaten the seed corn. And what’s happening now
is DISINTIGRATION. Right? That the only thing that
could change … that could fix the problems that we have now
is a massive, genuine deep REVIVAL. But frankly, I don’t
see it. Right? Revival comes out of REPENTENCE, and
there’s no repentance – even inside the Church there’s very
little repentance. People are accommodating themselves to the
world. And the majority of the Christians sitting in the pews
next to you do not have a biblical world view. They may be
Christian. They may believe and recite certain doctrines. But a
Biblical Worldview is the worldview that says that this
[Scott holds up his Bible] is the beginning and the end of what I
believe. Right? “Let God be true and every man a liar.”
[Rom 3:4] And that’s just simply not the case. Instead we have
people that for several generations have been being trained in an
alternative religion called SECULAR HUMANISM, and right now most
of the people claiming the name of Christ are actually … what
they’re practicing is “Christian-Flavored Secular Humanism.”
It’s NOT Biblical Christianity.
(50:59) We have a whole church that cannot defend God’s choice to
have the Hebrews wipe out the Canaanites. So we try to carve that
out of our Bibles, and make sure nobody ever references it because
we have no ability to defend God’s choices in that. Right? And
that we have this kind of “Nicer than Jesus” attitude.
Right? That Mark Driscoll – he’s sort of a controversial
very masculine-oriented pastor in Washington State, said, you know,
they’re portraying Jesus as a “’Gay’ Hippie in a dress.”
Right? A pacifist. Jesus is not that. Right? The Jesus that I
serve and the Jesus of the Bible: He CAME as a baby in a manger,
and He DIED on a cross as a broken man, but He ROSE from
the dead as the King of Kings. And He’s COMING BACK SOON.
(51:52) And He’s coming back (the Scripture says) “to Judge and
Make War.” [Rev 19:11] He’s coming with a sword. And
He’s going to do battle against His enemies, and the “blood
is going to flow to the bridle of the horses.” [Rev 14:20] Right?
This is not a squeamish namby-pamby Christianity of the Bible
teaches. It is very masculine. It is very raw and real.
And that God, that Jesus, that the “Gays” and the Left are now
portraying in their own images – this sort of syrupy,
sentimentally, compassionate, without any reason, without any
rationality – is the same one Who is responsible for the
destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. JESUS did not come to
apologize and make up for the mistakes of God the Father. Right?
HE IS GOD. And so all the things that are in the Old Testament –
that everyone’s trying to run away from – were done by His will.
And the stuff that’s coming in the future – you look in Revelation –
is by His will.
(53:05) So how do we deal with all this where we are right
now? How do we handle this as the main thing about being
here this morning? Where are we, and WHAT DO WE DO AS CHURCH
LEADERS AND PASTORS? Number One we have to get back
to a Biblical Worldview. We’ve got to get people to start
digging into the SCRIPTURES and getting prepared for the very
very serious times that are coming.
(53:31) NOTE: This Movement, this Homosexual
Movement has in the space of 50 years … Alright, think about
this … I’m 55 years old. When I was born, homosexuality was
illegal in every country of the world except for Sweden, which
had decriminalized Sodomy in 1938. Today homosexuals have more
power in the legislatures and the courtrooms of the world than the
Christian Church does. Nothing, no cancer, no Social Cancer has
EVER grown this fast in the History of the World! EVER! Nothing
comes even close. Not Darwinism; not Islam; not
Marxism; not any other “ism” you can think of is anything like
this. THIS IS THE END TIMES SPIRITUAL PHENOMENA and
it will not be stopped. This is IMPLACABLE. They NEVER stop.
They’re absolutely relentless. Once they begin to move on …
Once they come into a country to homosexualize it, THEY NEVER
STOP; THEY NEVER HAVE BEEN STOPPED. They’ve NEVER been rolled back.
(Part 1 of 2) Ends here at (54:33);
Dr. Lively’s talk to Northwest Michigan Pastors will be completed in
our SHOW #4 ].